Tonight's Preseason Game: Atlanta Hawks at Orlando Magic
Atlanta @ Orlando
| 2008/2009 NBA Preseason | ||
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| October 6th, 2008 | ||
| Amway Arena | ||
| 7:00 PM | ||
| No TV | ||
| Probable starters: | ||
| Mike Bibby | PG | Jameer Nelson |
| Joe Johnson | SG | Mickael Pietrus |
| Marvin Williams | SF | Hedo Turkoglu |
| Josh Smith | PF | Rashard Lewis |
| Al Horford | C | Dwight Howard |
UPDATE: Nothing new to report, but I wanted to bump this post to the top of the page to increase its visibility. Discuss the game here.
Well, it's finally here for the Magic: the 2008/2009 NBA Preseason. And while the games don't mean anything in the record books, they will allow us a glimpse of the team's future. How well does Mickael Pietrus fit with his teammates? Will Jameer Nelson play as well as he leads? Does Courtney Lee figure to make an impact in his rookie season?
It also gives us a chance to see what the Atlanta Hawks are doing. The Hawks aren't a great team, but they've given the Magic trouble in recent years, and clawed their way into the postseason in 2007/2008. For more insight on the Hawks, I asked Bret from Peachtree Hoops, SB Nation's Hawks blog, a few questions. The Q-and-A takes place after the jump.

Third Quarter Collapse: Which Hawks have the most to gain in the preseason? Which have the most to lose?
Peachtree Hoops: I think Acie Law needs to have a good pre-season in order not to get stuck behind Flip Murray in the rotation. Flip Murray is pretty much made for pre-season basketball so that may be an uphill battle for Acie. I'm curious if Othello Hunter, as an undersized power forward, can score and defend enough to complement his rebounding. Solomon Jones and Randolph Morris figure to be in an even battle for the last spot in the frontcourt rotation. I doubt either one will prove good enough to keep the other out of the rotation permanently but when you've got a very set first seven, you've got to take training camp/pre-season battles where you find them. The Mario West/Thomas Gardner/Frank Robinson battle for the final backcourt roster spot is of interest only to Hawks fans assuming I'm not overestimating its interest even to that sub-set of humanity.
Third Quarter Collapse: By all accounts, Mike Bibby is 100% healthy and looks great in camp. Can he be the point guard who elevates the Hawks to the next level? Or is he merely a stopgap solution until his contract expires next summer?
Peachtree Hoops: Even in less-than-full health Mike Bibby seriously upgraded the Hawks' offense after the All-Star Break. Unfortunately, the team's defense declined every bit as much as the offense improved so he didn't actually make the team much, if any, better. The degree to which Rajon Rondo (a good, young point guard but one whose value is more accurately described by the latter of those two adjectives at this very moment) dominated him in the post-season makes me hope that the organization views him as a stop-gap and turns his expiring contract into something via trade or keeps him for the full season and makes good use of the resultant cap space next summer.
Third Quarter Collapse: Al Horford posted solid numbers in his rookie season and, in my view, was robbed of the Rookie of the Year award. What's the next step for Al in developing as a player? And do you see him as a center or power forward at the professional level?
Peachtree Hoops: Had Mike Woodson not believed that Horford was subject to the collegiate rule of 5 fouls and you're disqualified, I expect he would have compiled the raw numbers necessary to win the Rookie of the Year Award. Which leads me to explain why the next step in his development isn't entirely in his own hands. This is an organization that still hasn't realized that Josh Smith has become a better player than Joe Johnson so I'm not holding my breath that Woodson will run the offense through Horford more often this season. Compared to getting Josh Smith away from the perimeter it's not even the priority.
It's a shame Horford rarely gets the ball on the move in the half-court offense considering he plays so much as an undersized center and often is quicker than his defender. He does need to improve his post play. Once he's capable of consistently drawing a double-team his passing ability will be more valuable.
Barring an evolutionary reversal, I think Horford will continue to play a lot of center. And he should for the Hawks. I think a Horford/Josh Smith frontcourt can cause a lot of matchup problems for other teams. That being said, the Hawks do need to keep a competent, bigger post player around to protect Horford from matchups he can't possibly win. Like against, say, Dwight Howard. Not that Dwight Howard is a beneficial matchup for anyone, but Horford (22 MPG, 9 PPG, 6RPG and 42.4 FG% against the Magic last season) was a comparative non-factor in those games last season. The Hawks can't afford for any of their few good players to become a non-factor for a night.
Thanks to Bret for his time and consideration. My responses to his questions are now up in his game preview at Peachtree Hoops.
The game starts tonight at 7, but it doesn't look like it's televised anywhere. Try tuning in to AM 580 WDBO in the Orlando area if you want to hear Dennis Neumann and Richie Adubato call the action. If you're outside the Orlando area, you may be in luck, as NBA.com's Audio League Pass seems to have returned.
Rejoice, for the Season is upon us.
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Game's On
I can’t wait! I actually have a few burning questions that I what to glean from this preseason.
-Can CLee run the point, or at least defend it will Hedo does the heavy lifting?
-Is Gortot going to pick up where he left off, and will he be the first center off the bench?
-How does Peaches fit in?
Can’t wait!
'Coach, Dwight is a nice guy. Dwight don't hit anybody. But Superman will knock the crap out of you.' - D12
by Eyriq the Red on
Oct 6, 2008 7:25 AM EDT
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Ben's perceptive answers to pedestrian questions
are now available for all to read.
by Hoopinion on
Oct 6, 2008 10:06 AM EDT
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Q&A
Ben, adjusted plus minus is not friendly to Nelson at all! Yikes.
It was an interesting exchange and I learned a little something about the two new faces. It will be interesting to see how they fit in the big picture.
'Coach, Dwight is a nice guy. Dwight don't hit anybody. But Superman will knock the crap out of you.' - D12
by Eyriq the Red on
Oct 6, 2008 10:46 AM EDT
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… +/- is a deceiving stat. I don’t pay attention to it THAT much. It’s a useful tool, but I prefer PER.
Contributing Writer for DePaul's scout.com website.
Class of 2009 - DePaul University
by erivera7 on
Oct 6, 2008 4:29 PM EDT
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Adjusted +/- is a bit more reliable than "traditional" +/-
But I’m with you: I prefer PER.
by Ben Q Rock on
Oct 6, 2008 5:45 PM EDT
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oh hai
Apparently my dad and I are going! He calls me this afternoon and casually mentions that there’s a preseason game tonight and make sure I’m ready by blah blah.
But anyway, yay I’m going! I’m eager to see Pietrus and Lee in action!
Go Magic!
by TheGiantSquid on
Oct 6, 2008 5:45 PM EDT
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Anyone else having trouble with Audio League Pass?
It won’t work for me.
by Ben Q Rock on
Oct 6, 2008 7:16 PM EDT
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Thanks, but
none of the links from that site work. I mean, they do, strictly speaking, but none of them lead to game coverage.
by Ben Q Rock on
Oct 6, 2008 7:31 PM EDT
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sorry ben
i was able to use the site and listen to the game. don’t know what happened for you.
by hevchv on
Oct 6, 2008 9:43 PM EDT
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I eventually got to listen to some of it
Thanks to 3QC user NBR’s technical know-how. But I do appreciate those links.
by Ben Q Rock on
Oct 6, 2008 10:05 PM EDT
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27-18, Magic leading
12-of-15 from the field is a great way to start the preseason…
by Ben Q Rock on
Oct 6, 2008 7:30 PM EDT
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Encouraging start to the game. A few good plays from Pietrus and too J’s from Redick.
by NBR on
Oct 6, 2008 7:31 PM EDT
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Interesting that Woodson's already gone to the bench
None of the five players on the floor for Atlanta right now are starters.
By the way, I’m reluctantly following the game on NBA.com. I’d much rather League Pass worked. If anyone knows what the heck is wrong with it, please let me know. I feel like it might be my Javascript.
by Ben Q Rock on
Oct 6, 2008 7:34 PM EDT
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I’m checking out the action on NBA.com too, League Pass is working for me though. Commentators are doing a good job. I have no ideas why it’s not working for you. I forgot to sign in to nba.com when listening to the Miami-Detroit game last night, and it didn’t work, it’s not that is it? I don’t think you can even change anything else.
by NBR on
Oct 6, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
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No, I'm signed in
Yeah I put in my username and password and it says I’m logged in. Whenever I click on the link to listen to the game, the words disappear and I’m left with a white space where the audio player should be. The rest of the page remains unchanged.
I’m inclined to think Javascript isn’t working with the newest version of Firefox (3.0.3.)
by Ben Q Rock on
Oct 6, 2008 7:48 PM EDT
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Very odd. I think I’m out of suggestions. I have the same Firefox though so it isn’t that.
Actually I have one more idea, you could try running the link through windows media player instead of the NBA’s website.
http://boss.streamos.com/wmedia-live/nba/7273/20_nba-orlando_audio_040930.asx
by NBR on
Oct 6, 2008 7:56 PM EDT
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Fantastic
Somehow I missed looking at this comment when you posted it a half-hour ago, but now I’ve put it in use and IT WORKS.
Awesome. Thanks.
by Ben Q Rock on
Oct 6, 2008 8:12 PM EDT
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Holy crap
It may only be the preseason, but it’s still worth noting: J.J. Redick blocked a shot. He hasn’t done that yet in his career (898 minutes).
by Ben Q Rock on
Oct 6, 2008 7:35 PM EDT
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The Love Connection
Dwight Howard has tallied two assists in 9 minutes, both of them to J.J. Redick.
If Dwight’s learned to pass out of those double-teams, I’ll be impressed.
by Ben Q Rock on
Oct 6, 2008 7:39 PM EDT
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29-24 after one quarter
Magic in the lead, but the Hawks challenging…
by Ben Q Rock on
Oct 6, 2008 7:45 PM EDT
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I was reading down through the Q&A with Peachtree Hoops, surpised he considers Josh Smith the superior player over Joe Johnson. Also that the offense should be ran through Smith.
I do agree with him on the pessimism over Woodson involving Horford more in the offense. I thought Horford could have contributed a lot more offensively (say 14-16ppg) last season with a few more touches and shots. Hopefully he unleashes Horford this season.
by NBR on
Oct 6, 2008 7:50 PM EDT
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I agree that Smith is better than Johnson
but not that the offense should be run through him. It seems like he gets his buckets in transition. There isn’t much he can do in the half-court set that doesn’t involve putting back a missed shot.
Woodson really is one of the worst coaches in the league. A team as talented as Atlanta shouldn’t have to scrap to get into the playoffs…
by Ben Q Rock on
Oct 6, 2008 7:54 PM EDT
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I would have loved to have seen Mike D’Antoni join the Atlanta Hawks.
I can’t understand why Woodson is so reluctant to let his team play to it’s strengths … and I have no idea how he got that extension.
by NBR on
Oct 6, 2008 8:00 PM EDT
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42-34 Orlando
The current lineup is a bit unusual: Johnson and Lee at the guards, Pietrus and Lewis at the forwards, and Howard at center. I figured that Lewis would play SF exclusively whenever Hedo was off the floor. Apparently, not so much…
by Ben Q Rock on
Oct 6, 2008 7:56 PM EDT
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Regarding Tony Battie
We’ll see how the rest of the evening plays out, but 4 rebounds in 10 minutes is encouraging; 0-for-2 shooting and 3 fouls in 10 minutes is discouraging. Hm.
by Ben Q Rock on
Oct 6, 2008 7:59 PM EDT
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Lee running the point to end the half
In the backcourt with J.J. Redick. Howard, Lewis, and Turkoglu are in the frontcourt.
by Ben Q Rock on
Oct 6, 2008 8:15 PM EDT
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51-49 at the half
Rashard Lewis leads all scorers with 12 points. Dwight Howard has added 10 points, 5 rebounds, and 6 blocks.
Maurice Evans leads the Hawks with 9 points off the bench.
by Ben Q Rock on
Oct 6, 2008 8:16 PM EDT
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Very good game.
The starters are playing big minutes. Howard and Lewis leading the way with 16 and 17 minutes respectively. Didn’t expect to see the starters out there so much …. struggling to remember preseason last year, the Cavs games and China. Entertaining though.
Good to see Courtney Lee getting good minutes, and Redick getting a chance and contributing.
by NBR on
Oct 6, 2008 8:16 PM EDT
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Stan played the starters a lot last year, too
At least in China. The only reason the Magic won that first game against the Cavs was because Mike Brown took out his starters while Stan Van Gundy left his in.
Van Gundy going with a 9-man rotation of Nelson, Pietrus, Turkoglu, Lewis, Howard, Lee, Redick, Battie, and Johnson.
Mike Woodson’s essentially emptied the bench, going with 11 players in the first half.
I’ll be surprised if the Magic’s starters play heavy minutes in the second half, though. Shouldn’t Stan want to take a look at Dwayne Jones, Jeremy Richardson, Mike Wilks, and Marcin Gortat?
by Ben Q Rock on
Oct 6, 2008 8:19 PM EDT
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Just noticed
No Keith Bogans tonight. Stan’s taking Brian Schmitz’s advice to see what Redick can do, since Bogans is a known commodity.
by Ben Q Rock on
Oct 6, 2008 8:21 PM EDT
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Atlanta out-rebounding the Magic 24-19.
Dwight has 5 boards, Lewis 5, Battie 4. Pietrus is next with two, nobody else has more than one. None for Hedo. Need to do a better job helping out on the glass.
9 of Atlanta’s rebounds are on the offensive end, against 19 defensive rebounds for Orlando. That’s poor. Atlanta have gotten 8 extra shots in the first half.
by NBR on
Oct 6, 2008 8:26 PM EDT
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Ugh
Still have to improve on the defensive glass. Holding a team to a low shooting percentage doesn’t mean anything if they’re about to clean up their own mess.
by Ben Q Rock on
Oct 6, 2008 8:32 PM EDT
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The Hawks lead, 89-79, near the end of the third quarter
The Magic have cooled off shooting, while the Hawks have heated up. Mo Evans still leads them with 14 points on 5-of-8 from the field. Rashard Lewis and Dwight Howard have combined for 36 of Orlando’s points, but can’t seem to get any help.
by Ben Q Rock on
Oct 6, 2008 9:01 PM EDT
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Are you kidding?
The Magic yielded 45 points in the third quarter.
by Ben Q Rock on
Oct 6, 2008 9:07 PM EDT
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Anthony Johnson has had a good all round performance. AJ has 4 rebounds, 6 assists, 2 steals, some good D, and 8 points.
That difference in the shot attempts is the difference in the game tonight. Orlando shooting 52, holding Atlanta to 48, those 12 less shots, that’s the difference. The rebounding just hasn’t been good enough. Dwight only has 6 boards in 30 minutes, difficult for the team to compete on the backboards without Howard dominating. Tony Battie does have 7 boards in 20 minutes which is good. The perimeter players as a whole haven’t hit the boards hard enough.
Little unbalanced offensively too. Lots of contributing, but few guys being key difference makers. I would have liked to have seen Nelson try to exploit Mike Bibby more often, that’s too good a matchup not to attack.
by NBR on
Oct 6, 2008 9:22 PM EDT
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Well, how about that
A third quarter collapse to start the season. Old weaknesses showing they still have legs. JJ looked great though, as did Gortat.
'Coach, Dwight is a nice guy. Dwight don't hit anybody. But Superman will knock the crap out of you.' - D12
by Eyriq the Red on
Oct 6, 2008 10:50 PM EDT
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