Povtak: Magic Interested in Dorsey and White, Want to Trade for Second-Round Pick


The Magic have their eyes on power forwards D.J. White and Joey Dorsey and have scheduled both players for private, individual workouts next week.
White photo by Darron Cummings, the Associated Press; Dorsey photo by Reinhold Matay, the Associated Press
Tim Povtak, reporting live from the NBA's pre-draft camp in Orlando, says the Magic "are thinking seriously about trading for a second-round pick." I have a hunch he's right, as he also says the Magic have shown an interest in drafting power forwards D.J. White and Joey Dorsey. Both those players will probably be available when the Magic draft 22nd, but they'd be too much of a reach. The Magic may instead look to take a shooting guard (Brandon Rush, Chris Douglas-Roberts, or Chase Budinger) with that pick and then use their (hypothetical) second-round pick on a power forward. Sounds like a solid plan to me, as it gives the Magic young talent at their two weakest positions. From whom the Magic would obtain that pick remains to be seen.
I hope the Magic find a way to snag White, personally. I know nothing about his game outside of what DraftExpress tells me, but the fact that the Pistons have promised to draft him (HT: DBB)makes him appealing. They got Rodney Stuckey with our draft choice last year; maybe we can return the favor...?
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If you want 2nd rounders...
the Jazz have 2 that they might not be able to use.
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by UtesFan89 on
May 28, 2008 8:55 PM EDT
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D.J.
... is okay. He’s definitely more of an offensive threat than Dorsey. but Dorsey is a freak athletically. White not so much, though he’s definitely ready so step right in and contribute … I’d rather have Dorsey because of his Ben Wallace clone capabilities that we desperately need (energy, defensive intensity, etc.). Pair him up with Dwight and watch out, because it’ll be a block party. I rather have that type of defensive intimidation.
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by erivera7 on
May 28, 2008 9:17 PM EDT
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Defensive intimidation?
We need a No-Fly Zone. Dwight and Darko showed flashes two years ago, but we never really got a chance to see how they’d fare together.
by Ben Q Rock on
May 28, 2008 9:24 PM EDT
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Dorsey is so much better than Darko, it’s laughable. Plus he’s a better fit.
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by erivera7 on
May 29, 2008 4:12 PM EDT
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what if Otis is planning on taking Dorsey or White at #22 and not in the second round? There is a Wednesday Bullet out today speaking very fondly of Joey Dorsey.
Would you protest ? I might reach there at #22 for Dorsey, depending on what scraps are still left to pick on.
Another sure thing…the Magic aren’t picking Alexis Ajinca as Yahoo Sports says…Fran Vazquez part two is the last thing we need.
But imagine if Fran comes over, we then have Dwight, Battie, Gortat(!), Dorsey, and Vazquez. All of a sudden the Magic have a very young, deep and well-rounded frontcourt.
by coque429 on
May 28, 2008 10:31 PM EDT
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Dorsey
At 22 it is a bit of a reach, but I would not mind personally. I read that Wages of Wins article about Dorsey that ESPN referenced and it is interesting to see advanced metrics speak so highly of him. I like him for the Magic mainly because he is everything we lack (well, outside of Dwight that is), as is CDR to be truthful (our swingman, Evans and Bogans, are all undersized), so if we reach for Dorsey I won’t cry. A perfect draft would be CDR AND Dorsey!
'Coach, Dwight is a nice guy. Dwight don't hit anybody. But Superman will knock the crap out of you.' - D12
by Eyriq the Red on
May 28, 2008 11:07 PM EDT
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How’s Dorsey’s offense? And does it matter? With Dwight, Rashard, Hedo, and Jameer out there with him, it might not… but it’d be nice to have that Haslem/Battie-like jumper. If he has that, he might be worth the reach.
by Ben Q Rock on
May 28, 2008 11:35 PM EDT
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He is compared to Ben Wallace…..
'Coach, Dwight is a nice guy. Dwight don't hit anybody. But Superman will knock the crap out of you.' - D12
by Eyriq the Red on
May 29, 2008 12:13 AM EDT
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He doesn’t have an offensive game, but who the hell cares. We have offensive firepower that not many teams in the NBA can match … we need defense if we actually want to get far in the playoffs. Dorsey at #22 is a reach, which is why I’m imploring the Magic to either trade down or trade for a 2nd-Rd. pick (like they might do) ... so that they can draft him.
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by erivera7 on
May 29, 2008 4:14 PM EDT
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and Brian Cook too, I forgot..
but if we take Chase Budinger, I will have lost a lot of faith in Otis
a slow footed good shooter SF is the absolute last thing we need
by coque429 on
May 28, 2008 10:34 PM EDT
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Bah
'Coach, Dwight is a nice guy. Dwight don't hit anybody. But Superman will knock the crap out of you.' - D12
by Eyriq the Red on
May 29, 2008 12:12 AM EDT
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First, I’m a big fan of Budinger. I would love to see him in Orlando but there is no way he falls to 22 after all the workouts are done. Second, Dorsey and White are huge reaches at 22. I would not be satisfied if we wasted our first rounder on either of them. Also, how would we obtain a second round pick? I don’t see many ways that could work out in Orlando’s favor. Jesus, the conference finals aren’t even over and I’m already getting sick.
by magic fanatic on
May 29, 2008 1:45 AM EDT
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Timberwolves
They have the 31st and 34th and are rumored to be looking to move them. Getting one or both for Bogans or Cash or whatever would go a long ways.
'Coach, Dwight is a nice guy. Dwight don't hit anybody. But Superman will knock the crap out of you.' - D12
by Eyriq the Red on
May 29, 2008 9:06 AM EDT
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Good Idea
In watching the Eastern Conference Finals and seeing the impacts Maxiell and Big Baby Davis have had on their squads, I feel as if Dorsey and White could fit that exact role on the Orlando Magic, really vital pieces to a run at a ring, soooo how about trade Redick to the Pacers for our second round pick (#41) ???
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by Brent Beck on
May 29, 2008 2:58 PM EDT
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Because as disappointing as Redick's been, a former no. 11 overall pick is worth more than a mid-second rounder
by Ben Q Rock on
May 29, 2008 3:27 PM EDT
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Foster
... if we’re going to trade for a 2nd Rd. pick, I’d rather have Dorsey than Foster. He’s younger and cheaper.
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by erivera7 on
May 29, 2008 4:17 PM EDT
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... but probably not ready to contribute right away like Foster would be
by Ben Q Rock on
May 29, 2008 5:22 PM EDT
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Foolish … Dorsey is 24 years old. I don’t buy that for a second.
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by erivera7 on
May 29, 2008 11:06 PM EDT
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The Magic draft
Based on the Magic’s draft history and the fact they’ll be picking at number 22, I’m not very excited at all. No matter who the Magic draft, is there really any chance at all that the player will get meaningful playing time and be a solid contributor next season? Chances are this player will be glued to the bench and will only get playing time in the final few minutes of a blowout, but maybe the following season the player might be able to contribute a little.
I hope I’m wrong about this and that whoever they draft can make an impact next season, but again, based on the Magic’s draft history when they draft so low in the first round, I’m not expecting anything next season from whoever they draft.
I’m much more interested about who the Magic might get with the MLE later on this summer.
by Mike from Illinois on
May 29, 2008 3:23 PM EDT
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Re: The Magic draft
I’m not super excited either, but the fact that Stan showed an inclination to play Gortat in the playoffs leads me to believe that he’ll give our rookie(s) a chance to play next season.
by Ben Q Rock on
May 29, 2008 3:26 PM EDT
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Totally Disagree
... with the notion that a pick this late in the draft will be glued to the bench. It’s just called bad drafting by the Magic, but by no means should we be stuck in that mindset. If we draft SMART, then we can easily get a freaking starter at the #22 pick. It’s just called good scouting …
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by erivera7 on
May 29, 2008 4:16 PM EDT
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If you think Dorsey or White are going to come into the NBA and be a factor right away your are fooling yourself. Neither of them have the athletic ability to compete at the next level. If we can get a second round pick for cheap I’ll be happy but neither of these guys will solve any of Orlando’s problems. Best bet is to sign or trade someone with experience and draft a SG.
by magic fanatic on
May 29, 2008 6:09 PM EDT
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Bi-annual exception: veteran, 3rd-string PG (such as Jason Williams, Chris Duhon, etc)
Draft: SG
Trade/mid-level: veteran PF (Jeff Foster?) or swingman (Mickael Pietrus, James Posey, etc)
by Ben Q Rock on
May 29, 2008 6:25 PM EDT
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Solid
I’m cool with that plan. I’m still on the Gerald Wallace train with the BAE myself, but if we get Duhon instead than that is solid. I also like using the MLE on Pietrus. He just seems like he should become that lock down defender that we need.
I’d rather have Dorsey than Foster. (If it’s either or, and only due to long term value compared to short term value.)
'Coach, Dwight is a nice guy. Dwight don't hit anybody. But Superman will knock the crap out of you.' - D12
by Eyriq the Red on
May 29, 2008 10:01 PM EDT
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Mistake
I wish it was Gerald Wallace for the BAE! I meant Gerald Green!
'Coach, Dwight is a nice guy. Dwight don't hit anybody. But Superman will knock the crap out of you.' - D12
by Eyriq the Red on
May 29, 2008 10:02 PM EDT
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Don't worry about it
I know a guy who took Anthony Parker in his fantasy draft this year. He thought he was getting Tony.
I’ve never been impressed with Gerald Green. Three teams have already given up on him. Maybe we could invite him to camp, but there’s no need to sign him to a guaranteed contract; make him earn it.
by Ben Q Rock on
May 29, 2008 10:34 PM EDT
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Totally disagree .. Dorsey is 24 and had four years under his belt in college. White is 21 and had four years under his belt in college. If you really think these guys aren’t impact players right away, then I’m not sure what college basketball your watching. I’m not predicting Dorsey to be a savior, but I am predicting he’ll bring energy, defense, and some insane athletic ability to the table.
Both of them are physically ready to step in right away and make some type of impact.
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by erivera7 on
May 29, 2008 11:10 PM EDT
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... and if you don’t think 2nd Rd. picks don’t make any type of impact, check out Manu, Agent Zero, Michael Redd and even lesser dudes like Kyle Korver, Luke Walton, Paul Millsap, etc.
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by erivera7 on
May 29, 2008 11:17 PM EDT
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Dorsey doesn’t have the athletic ability to compete at the next level? Shit, go to youtube and type in Joey Dorsey. Is he going to step in and start? no, but he could definitely contribute. the magic need a dive on the floor, knock jason maxiell on his ass type player. desperately.
i will say this though. i think the magic are going to draft well for the first year in a long time. stan van gundy is our coach. my faith in stan is unwavering.
by coque429 on
May 29, 2008 6:50 PM EDT
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You know, maybe I am being naive but I feel the same way. I just don’t see how the Magic can screw this up.
'Coach, Dwight is a nice guy. Dwight don't hit anybody. But Superman will knock the crap out of you.' - D12
by Eyriq the Red on
May 29, 2008 9:57 PM EDT
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... totally agree. My faith in SVG is crazy. We’re a good draft away from competing for a Title and having SVG calling the shots is a comforting feeling.
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by erivera7 on
May 29, 2008 11:12 PM EDT
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I think we are a good MLE signing away from an NBA title, the draft is just about depth and the not so immediate future.
'Coach, Dwight is a nice guy. Dwight don't hit anybody. But Superman will knock the crap out of you.' - D12
by Eyriq the Red on
May 30, 2008 12:19 PM EDT
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Depends on who the MLE. I still think we’re a good Draft away from competing for a Title. That’s how the Spurs become title contenders, after drafting Parker and Ginobili. Or the Pistons with drafting Tayshaun, etc.
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by erivera7 on
Jun 2, 2008 3:28 PM EDT
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Dorsey and White's stats from last season
Joey Dorsey… 6.9 PPG; 64.7% Field Goals; 37.8% Free Throws; 9.5 Rebounds; 1.9 Blocks
D.J. White…...17.4 PPG; 60.5% Field Goals; 68.9% Free Throws; 10.3 Rebounds; 1.6 Blocks
Dorsey is 6’9” 265 pounds, while White is 6’9” 251 pounds.
If these two players are available when the Magic pick, it should be a no-brainer to pick White. At least he has an offensive game and his rebounding stats are even a little bit better then Dorsey’s. Also, Dorsey’s FT% is horrendous. Do we really need another poor free throw shooter out there? He may be an athletic freak as some of you guys said, but to compare him to a young Ben Wallace is probably a bit premature. He may be worth a second round pick (if the Magic can work out a trade to get a second rounder), but definitely not a first rounder.
I would be happy with White if he’s available when the Magic pick, but I would be surprised if he still would be available.
by Mike from Illinois on
May 30, 2008 3:52 PM EDT
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White
You think he will go before the Magic pick at 22? He may be a first rounder but I would be shocked if he went that early, and disappointed if the Magic took him there.
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by Eyriq the Red on
May 30, 2008 9:53 PM EDT
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White is a late 1st-rounder at best … I still would prefer Dorsey between the two. Making the Ben Wallace comparisons would be premature if he was younger, but the dude is 24. You know what your going to get with him, and that’s Ben Wallace-type basketball.
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by erivera7 on
Jun 2, 2008 3:30 PM EDT
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Using stats to compare White and Dorsey is unfair, btw. They’re two completely different players. Stats can be used to make any type of point and I don’t really buy that type of argument.
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by erivera7 on
Jun 2, 2008 3:36 PM EDT
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CDR's stats
Last season’s stats of Memphis SG Chris Douglas-Roberts… 18.1 PPG; 54.1% Field Goals; 41.3% 3 PT FGs; 72.1% Free Throws; 4.1 Rebounds
He would make a nice pick at 22 also.
Whether CDR, White, or Dorsey would make an impact next season for the Magic is another question, but as someone else said, this would improve the Magic’s depth.
by Mike from Illinois on
May 30, 2008 4:29 PM EDT
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It’s much easier for a shooting guard to adjust to the next level then it would be for players like Dorsey or White. The game moves much to fast for them. Theres a good shot Vasquez will be coming over and, despite what some have reported, he’ll do a better job this season then either Dorsey or White.
by magic fanatic on
May 31, 2008 2:10 AM EDT
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Vasquez is trash, he shouldn’t even be discussed.
CDR should, and will be our pick at #22. Rush is looking more and more like a lock to go to Phoenix.
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by erivera7 on
Jun 2, 2008 3:31 PM EDT
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Where’d you hear that Fran was coming over? I thought he wasn’t coming until 2009-2010?
by Ben Q Rock on
Jun 2, 2008 8:13 PM EDT
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RE: White
I’m not a draft expert at all; I’m just guessing where he might be picked based on his numbers. I would think a guy like White who averaged 17 points and 10 rebounds playing in a major conference might not last until the 22nd pick, but what do I know? Much of the draft is a crapshoot anyhow; it’s not easy knowing how a college player will adjust to the pros.
by Mike from Illinois on
May 31, 2008 5:19 AM EDT
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This draft is surprisingly full of guys like that and better, so no, I don’t think he’ll go that early, if even in the 1st round.
'Coach, Dwight is a nice guy. Dwight don't hit anybody. But Superman will knock the crap out of you.' - D12
by Eyriq the Red on
May 31, 2008 12:19 PM EDT
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The draft is more a crapshoot when there were a ton of High Schoolers and International players, which made it difficult for people to assess players properly.
Now, I don’t think it’s as much of a crapshoot. Most of the guys in the draft are fairly polished and you’ll know what you’ll get, for the most part.
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