Reviewing Carlos Arroyo
This summer, 3QC will take a look back on each Magic player's 2007-2008 season. The first nine posts will evaluate, on an individual basis and in alphabetical order, the players who played in at least 20% of the team's total minutes; the final post will briefly evaluate the five players who appeared in less than 20% of the team's minutes.
Today, our focus is Carlos Arroyo.
| Carlos Arroyo | ||
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Carlos Arroyo passes during the Magic's 110-94 victory at Seattle in November. He came off the bench to dish a career-best 14 assists in the contest. File photo by Terrence Vaccaro, NBAE/Getty Images | ||
| No. 30 | ||
| Point Guard | ||
| Points Per Game | Assists Per Game | Turnovers Per Game |
| 6.5 | 3.5 | 1.2 |
| Points Per 36 | Assists Per 36 | Turnovers Per 36 |
| 12.2 | 6.2 | 2.2 |
| PER | Assist Rate | Turnover Rate |
| 12.8 | 26.6 | 16.4 |
| FG% | 3FG% | FT% |
| .451 | .345 | .853 |
| eFG% | TS% | |
| .493 | .547 | |
All statistics in this table from Arroyo's player page at basketball-reference. Career-high statistics highlighted in gold. | ||
Going into the season, all the Magic expected from Carlos Arroyo was that he play smart, steady basketball backing up Jameer Nelson. For the most part, they got that. He did what was asked of him, and sometimes came up big when it counted. His performance in two of his twenty starts this year particularly stand out.
In a December game versus Charlotte, Arroyo started for Nelson, who was injured. The Bobcats, and Jason Richardson in particular, got to a hot start and looked ready to blow-out the Magic in Orlando. But Arroyo, playing within the flow of the offense, answered each of the Bobcats' baskets with one of his own. In the first 6:43 of the game, Arroyo totaled 8 points and 2 assists, and the Magic ended the period trailing by only one point. They ended up winning the game by 9.
In a March game against New York, Arroyo was the only point guard in uniform, with Nelson and Keyon Dooling nursing injuries. Arroyo shone during Latin Night with 13 points and 8 assists, taking the pressure off Hedo Turkoglu, the Magic's only other healthy playmaker. Turk scored 25 points of his own and the Magic won in a rout.
But Arroyo isn't without his flaws. Rajon Rondo abused him defensively in the Magic's dramatic 96-93 over Boston in January, forcing him to commit 6 turnovers, including the one that lead to Ray Allen's game-tying trey in transition. And, although Arroyo played more under-control this year, he still shot too early in the shot clock (39% of his shots were within the first 10 seconds of a possession) and took too many jumpers (77% of his shots, although that's down from 81% last season). His solid yet unspectacular play, taken into account with his age (29), salary ($4 million last season), and dropping off the face of the earth (7 DNP-CD's in February, virtually no significant minutes the rest of the season) makes it unlikely the Magic retain him.
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Yes, I originally gave Arroyo a B-, but upon further consideration, I realized I was too generous. If Arroyo's performance this year is a B-, well, almost everyone else's would be an A.
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Arroyo
I feel like he contributed and played a huge role at times when injuries bit us, but overall he was a disappointment. He can still be creative but he gets stuck on his own offense and it really pulls him down. Then there is his defense. He went from being a starter at times to not seeing any playing time at all, and so based on that inconsistency and based on his hefty price tag this pace year I’d give him a D.
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by Eyriq the Red on Jun 2, 2008 6:23 AM EDT 0 recs
My reasoning
I wanted to give him a C, but I figured the times he spelled Jameer, especially early in the season when Jameer’s head wasn’t quite right, helped us more than we realize.
by Ben Q Rock on
Jun 2, 2008 9:04 AM EDT
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Your Change
That is funny that you mentioned how his evaluation would effect the rest because that is what I was thinking as well. And since I thought our bench was crappy that just wouldn’t work!
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by Eyriq the Red on
Jun 2, 2008 10:35 PM EDT
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He gets an F
If you really take a look at his play the guy makes not bad decisions, he makes totally horrible ones. I had 3rd row season tickets and watching him just make awful play after awful play I cringed when he entered the game. He had a couple good games and made baskets WHEN HE WAS THE ONLY GUARD. I can see how statistic-wise you can make a case for him, but when it comes to the intangibles like hustle and help defense he just doesn’t get it done.
by nothinbutnick on Jun 2, 2008 12:21 PM EDT 0 recs
wow.....
how can u say he does not have the intangibles????
I dont think we would win as many games if we did not have him…
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by Boricua on
Jun 8, 2008 4:53 AM EDT
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I gave him a C although I feel it was very generous. Arroyo has a unique style of play but it just doesn’t work in the NBA. He’s clearly the worst point guard on a team that has struggled at the point position (personally, I wish he could have left as opposed to Travis Diener who I thought was better).
He is clearly not worth 4 mil but I still wouldn’t be shocked if he played in Orlando next season. He is big marketing tool for the Magic and brings a lot of attention to the team. We have to remember that this is a business and Arroyo is still a hot commodity even if he is playing terribly.
Despite this, I believe Orlando can find a better player for half the price. I’m sure most of you will agree with that though.
by magic fanatic on Jun 2, 2008 1:51 PM EDT 0 recs
I think with Arroyo, it’s more of a feeling that fans have that actual evidence of a negative feeling. There’s info on turnovers, but it doesn’t reflect how many of those were ill-advised passes where he tried to get too fancy. And that’s what the difference is with Carlos, people “feel” like he should be playing better, but we can’t quite figure out why.
BQR : Two things
1. Do you know the team +/- with Arroyo on the floor and how it compares to Jameer.
2. Is it the Puerto Rican team that’s making people question his output? He lights up opposing teams like Chris Paul with his national squad and those players are generally not good enough to make it to the NBA. It’s a strange phenomenon, but may be more of the root cause of unmet expectations.
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by nerditry on Jun 2, 2008 5:11 PM EDT 0 recs
The main problem with Arroyo is that he has to be the number one scorer and distributor on his team. This is why he is so good when he plays for his national team. In the NBA though he is not good enough to be either. He dribbles the ball way too much and he doesn’t have the explosiveness or speed to get off his daring passes.
Simply put, the NBA is too big and fast for Arroyo to make a serious impact.
by magic fanatic on
Jun 2, 2008 5:35 PM EDT
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Nelson’s adjusted +/- is -7.31. Arroyo’s is -9.74.
I hadn’t even considered Arroyo’s national-team performance when evaluating Arroyo, but that doesn’t necessarily mean that other Magic fans don’t make the same comparison when they do so. Interesting theory.
by Ben Q Rock on
Jun 2, 2008 6:46 PM EDT
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Arroyo is a man beast childl
j/k
But his #’s per 36 minutes is really good numbers considering that this is offense is based of the big 3 guys…..
I think Arroyo is better then a C, and a considerable starter in a lot of teams in the NBA. (including this one)
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by Boricua on Jun 3, 2008 4:52 AM EDT 0 recs
Arroyo starting
For which NBA teams could Arroyo start? I counted 9: Denver (Carter), Houston (Alston), Indiana (Murray/Diener), L.A. Clippers (Knight), Memphis (Conley), Miami (J. Williams), New York (Robinson), Portland (Blake), and Seattle (Watson/Ridnour). Of those, only Denver and Houston are playoff-caliber teams, and that’s because they have transcendent scorers/playmakers (Iverson and McGrady) to offset their point guards’ deficiencies.
by Ben Q Rock on
Jun 3, 2008 5:05 PM EDT
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I think you are giving him too much credit. Alston, Diener, Conley, J Will, Blake, and Watson are all better then Carlos Arroyo. I’d say there are only three teams he could start for. He’s our third string point guard for a reason.
by magic fanatic on
Jun 3, 2008 7:31 PM EDT
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Should have seen my original list
It included Charlotte (Felton) and Minnesota (Foye/Telfair).
by Ben Q Rock on
Jun 3, 2008 8:10 PM EDT
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No they are not....
We dropped diener to keep arroyo, thats how much we value him…...
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by Boricua on
Jun 8, 2008 4:56 AM EDT
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srsly?
dude if you’re saying you’d take Arroyo over pretty much any of those guys I think you’re out of your mind. Statistics aside, look at how he plays, he overdribbles, turns over the ball and makes some absolutely horrible decisions. Not only that, does he even play defense?
by nothinbutnick on
Jun 3, 2008 10:55 PM EDT
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I’m not saying I would necessarily take him over those guys, but that he’s probably on par with them. Ask yourself this question: Would you really rather have Anthony Carter running your team? Earl Watson?
by Ben Q Rock on
Jun 3, 2008 11:17 PM EDT
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I’d take Watson but definitely not Anthony Carter
by magic fanatic on
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