Kurt Thomas and Marcus Williams off the Market; Whom Will the Magic Target Next?
The Spurs re-signed Kurt Thomas, the forward/center whom the Magic coveted at the deadline. Meanwhile, a day after acquiring combo guard Keyon Dooling from Orlando, the Nets sent backup point guard (and object of Magic fans' affection) Marcus Williams to the Warriors for a future first-round pick.
Oh, and the Magic's chances of re-signing Carlos Arroyo -- already a long shot -- took a big hit when he tore a leg muscle during an Olympic qualifying tournament.
But Javaris Crittenton, long connected to the Magic in trade rumors, is still in play. The Grizzlies' young combo guard is likely the odd-man-out in Memphis, which wants to focus on developing O.J. Mayo, Mike Conley, and Kyle Lowry. I think Crittenton would be a home-run acquisition for Otis Smith and the Magic. For one thing, he's tall (6'05"). For another, his presence would make both J.J. Redick and Keith Bogans more expendable than they already are... assuming they weren't the guys dealt for Crittenton in the first place. Finally, it would mean fewer minutes for Anthony Johnson, the Magic's 34-year-old current backup, whose talent level befits that of a third-stringer.
Could Mikki Moore be an option? The Kings spent their full mid-level on the veteran power forward last summer, but might look to unload him to free-up playing time for youngsters Spencer Hawes, Shelden Williams, and Jason Thompson. Kings fan pookeyguru, whom you may know from his participation in the Sactown Royalty community, would swap Moore for Redick and Brian Cook.
I still support the idea of swapping Redick and Cook for Jeff Foster, but I doubt the Pacers would part with him now that they've dealt Jermaine O'Neal to Toronto for T.J. Ford, Rasho Nesterovic, and riff-raff.
Maybe we overestimate the Magic's need for another player at the power positions. After all, Tony Battie will make his return this season, and figures to steal some minutes from Adonal Foyle (at center) and Rashard Lewis/Cook (at power forward). And Marcin Gortat, who played in more post-season games than regular-season ones, showed promise. But you'll forgive me for feeling nervous about a big-man rotation that includes Lewis, Battie, Gortat, Foyle, and James Augustine.
What's the Magic's biggest area of need? Whom should they target to fill that need?
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That's superfan to you buddy (okay not really)
Anyway, some thoughts on the various idea’s. Naturally I would hope my idea (with the help of a community poster who said Orlando would be a good place for Moore—read the thread, but the poster is “lietothegirls”) would be the one to work. That being said my idea isn’t Otis Smith’s, or the DeVoss family’s idea’s on how to run the Magic. It’s a pity. I could show them a thing or two. (Like not negotiate against myself in the Rashard Lewis sweepstakes.)
I should think that the Magic could throw out the idea of Cook/Redick for Crittenton. After all Crittenton may be caught in the time crunch that the Grizzlies don’t favor. And Lowry seems to me something of a duplication that Jameer Nelson already brings. (Assuming Lowry is healthy enough to get on the court this time around.) So if Crittenton is the obvious target why not sweeten the pot and throw in a 1st rounder for the Grizz? If you’re deadset on getting Critt, why would the Grizz want Cook or Redick? (By the way trading either or can be accomplished. You don’t have to trade both to get Critt.)
I think Moore would work, because as I noted, he’s a fairly reliable shooter from the mid range area. He also plays with energy, and provided you have a strong defender/rebounder/shot blocker (sounds like a guy on the Magic I can’t quite seem to figure out his name today) around, he can be effective as an energy guy hyping up your other players. Moore gets excited when the ballboy wipes up sweat off the floor. That’s just his personality. Getting paid his dream pay makes it even easier for him after bouncing around the NBA for so long.
I’m not really sure why Foster would be dealt to the Magic by Indy. He’s a long time Pacer who played for Larry Legend way back when in Indy, and I don’t see that package (again Cook/Bogans/Redick or any 2 of the 3) being enticing enough for the Pacers to take it. As it is they already have 16 players on their roster.
One last thing I suppose. Is Foyle signed to a contract this year? Because I’ve looked on both Sham Sports and the ESPN trade checker, and can’t find a contract for either. If that’s the case, I can guarantee you Moore is a far better option than Foyle as he can play both PF & C, and won’t complain if he rides the pine while SVG is looking at all his options.
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by pookeyguru on Jul 22, 2008 9:23 PM EDT 0 recs
Foyle
He opted out (I guess he didn’t appreciate losing minutes to a rookie in the playoffs) but hasn’t received any offers from other teams. The Magic expect him to re-sign later in the summer.
by Ben Q Rock on
Jul 23, 2008 1:34 AM EDT
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Another option
Even though he’s anathema I imagine for most NBA teams is Marko Jaric. He’s a big ball handling SG who would be readily available for Redick and Cook. I could see that working out even better than Moore, even though he isn’t a terrifc 3pt FG% shooter. Doesn’t solve every problem the Magic has, but then again, there isn’t probably a solution out there that does either.
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by pookeyguru on
Jul 24, 2008 12:53 PM EDT
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Thats exactly what this team needs, a 5th shooting guard! With that said he has the ability to play the point. Seeing Adriana Lima on the sidelines of Magic games would also be nice.
by magic fanatic on
Jul 24, 2008 2:35 PM EDT
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Adriana Lima is hot
Hard to not like that.
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by pookeyguru on
Jul 24, 2008 3:03 PM EDT
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What exactly does this team need?
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by pookeyguru on
Jul 24, 2008 3:03 PM EDT
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1. a big backup point guard. Nobody special, just someone who can come in and defend bigger point guards.
2. a traditional power foward. I guy who can come in and help grab offensive rebounds and block shots at the other end. A guy like David Lee would be perfect, but Moore would be a very bad choice in my opinion.
If we can fill those two needs while only moving Reddick, Bogans, Cook, and Augustine this would be a fantastic offseason in my opinion.
by magic fanatic on
Jul 24, 2008 4:45 PM EDT
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Makes sense to me
I still think Jaric would be a terrific fit with a coach like SVG. Because his contract is so bad the Grizz would likely make him available for Cook/Redick.
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by pookeyguru on
Jul 24, 2008 6:04 PM EDT
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He’s not worth both Cook and Reddick, probably just Cook. I would rather a more natural passer though.
by magic fanatic on
Jul 24, 2008 6:07 PM EDT
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Money makes it so
Can’t make a trade unless you take at least 75% back in a deal. Neither Cook or Redick makes 75% of what Jaric does.
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by pookeyguru on
Jul 24, 2008 6:37 PM EDT
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Isn’t that what the trade exception is for? Regardless, Jaric is a bad idea.
by magic fanatic on
Jul 24, 2008 7:24 PM EDT
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Well you can't combine a player with a trade exception to acquire a player like Jaric in this instance
So that doesn’t work either. The only way those trade exception’s work is if you use the trade exception to the amount value (in this case it’s 3.3 million) and use it on one player.
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by pookeyguru on
Jul 24, 2008 7:40 PM EDT
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Also, you're warming me to the Moore trade proposal
Still don’t like that salary, though. At least he comes off the books in 2010. Not that the Magic plan to make a free-agent splash then, but they could use him as trade bait for teams looking to land LeBron, or D-Wade, or Chris Bosh, etc…
by Ben Q Rock on
Jul 23, 2008 1:37 AM EDT
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He's got a fairly good buyout too for 2010
It’s somewhere in the neighborhood of 2.5 to 3 million dollars.
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by pookeyguru on
Jul 23, 2008 6:29 AM EDT
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WTF?
The Mikki Moore idea is the dumbest thing I’ve heard in a long time, which worries me, because it makes it all the more likely that Otis will be enticed. Unless Moore suddenly entered a time warp and transformed into the Moore of his early Clipper years, or even his Nets years, he’s not even worth mentioning. The guy will be 33 this season and is a poor rebounder and shot blocker. Plus he’s not nearly the team defender that Tony is, so why would we waste trade assets like Redick and Cook on him-both of whom are far younger. Plus Rashard played that position admirably last year and is a much better offensive option at the 4 than Moore. Tony is a much better defender and Cook is a better 3 point bomber-so what, really is Moore bringing to the table?
Redick’s value may have bottomed out by SVG’s refusal to play him, but he’s still one of the top 5 shooters in the league, and theres always a market for that. Cook had an off year, but he was a solid backup 4 in LA for several years, and he’s also pretty young, so theres no reason to think he couldnt still provide that level of production again.
I would rather we just wait it out with both Cook and Redick than trade for a washed-up MIkki Moore. Whichever sacremento fan is floating that trade idea about, please recycle your trash on some other team’s message board.
I agree that with the return of Battie, the resigning of Foyle and the hopeful emergence of Gortat, we may not need as much help on the frontline as expected. But Speights tore up the summer league, and he’s a deadly shooter from 15-18. If we can use our trade exception, JJ and possible a future first to get him and Willie Green’s contract, that would be a great deal. If Otis does decide to get a point though, I would hope that we go after Lowry over Crittenton. Lowry is a beast of a defender and get anywhere he wants in the paint. However, he’s not much of a true point though. On the other hand, Crittenton’s pure point skills are underwhelming. And remember the last time we took a chance on a tall point?
by WhatAboutFran on Jul 23, 2008 10:13 AM EDT 0 recs
You must think an undersize non athletic shooting 2
Is a hot commodity on the market. Or an decenly sized non athletic shooting 4 has a huge market with a player option he will almost certainly exercise next season.
Redick isn’t a top 5 shooter in the league. If he was teams would explore trading a future 2nd rounder for him. At the very least. Players who are top 5 in anything in the NBA have a market. Redick has very little to no market, and that’s including the fact that he’s bottomed out value wise. That’s of course assuming he ever had any league wise to begin with.
But Speights tore up the summer league, and he’s a deadly shooter from 15-18. If we can use our trade exception, JJ and possible a future first to get him and Willie Green’s contract, that would be a great deal.Actually, this might be possible if Philly wanted JJ Redick. Or, perhaps that’s YOUR opinion. I’m the idiot who came up with that trash. I would feel insulted, if your criticism made sense. Not to mention, among other things, there is a fan post, and Ben said I was the one who posted it, and what “board” I post at. Apparently you can’t read very well.
So here’s my thing. If the Magic wouldn’t negotiate with Keyon Dooling for an acceptable money figure, why would they take extra salary on to pay luxury tax they weren’t willing to pay with Dooling? So here’s the thing. Why would the Magic spend extra money on Speights after a “great” Summer League where Justin Thompson out performed him, among other players, and Willie Green who doesn’t fill a hole that the Magic already have Mickeal Pietrus at? I don’t quite get how my idea is stupid, but your’s makes sense.
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by pookeyguru on
Jul 23, 2008 11:33 AM EDT
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lol
If you don’t get it, try this out; Moore sucks, Speights doesn’t. Capish?
'Coach, Dwight is a nice guy. Dwight don't hit anybody. But Superman will knock the crap out of you.' - D12
by Eyriq the Red on
Jul 23, 2008 2:48 PM EDT
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You're right I would rather have Speights than Moore
And I would rather have Jason Thompson than Marresse Speights. So, yeah, neener neener.
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by pookeyguru on
Jul 23, 2008 3:57 PM EDT
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Ha, I just lol'ed
You redeemed yourself in my book, and you probably didn’t even intend too!
'Coach, Dwight is a nice guy. Dwight don't hit anybody. But Superman will knock the crap out of you.' - D12
by Eyriq the Red on
Jul 23, 2008 10:52 PM EDT
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Thanks I think
I ‘m going to stamp my foot and pout in the corner now.
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by pookeyguru on
Jul 23, 2008 11:06 PM EDT
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Umm...
Its no surprise that JJ isnt athletic. Otis knew he wasnt athletic when he was drafted, so did Coach K, and I’d venture to guess that JJ’s mom does too. But if you’d ever actually seen him on the floor in the NBA, you’d realize that this guy can still shoot the lights out-and thats indisputable. That, in and of itself, however doesn’t make him a great shooter. What does, is his enormous donkey balls-this guy could get stuffed and stared down by Kobe, and still launch a 30 footer on the next possession without a hint of hesitation. There are a lot of Korvers and Novaks in the NBA, but theres only a handful of guys with that kind of spine. So even if his value may have bottomed out, if Kyle-freeking-Korver can be a valuable asset on the floor, so can JJ.
As for whether or not Philly would be interested in JJ, thats another matter. I have no idea what Ed Stefanski is looking for in a shooter. I do know that Philly was one of the worst 3 point shooting teams in the league last year, and then they went and traded the immortal Kyle Korver to Utah. With Brand on board, they need someone to keep defenses honest, and they still have to re-up Iguodala. That doesn’t leave a lot of dollars or options available to acquire a 3-point shooter, so it seems logical that since they have a glut of power forwards and a dearth of shooters, that a trade could be worked out to be beneficial to all parties involved. At the very least, it makes more sense that trading for Mikki Moore and his embarrassing squeals/shrieks.
I don’t know who Justin Thompson is, but I do know of a Jason Thompson. The Magic worked him out, along with Speights and a handful of other 4’s before the draft…and then deemed him so worthless, they passed on him for a SG, even though we already had four SGs on the roster (if you count Keyon as a 2). And not that summer league necessarily proves that you can play, but at least it can prove that you can’t. Nonetheless, judging by your own metric, Thomspon put up 16 & 8, while Speights put up 18 & 10, with 2 blocks. Perhaps if you were talking about a head-to-head matchup, but the Kings and Sixers didnt play in Vegas. So how, exactly, did Speights get outplayed? Speights is also younger, far, far more athletic and only played one season of college ball (with significant playing time), so the odds of him improving are greater as well.
I’m sure the Magic don’t want to get to the dollar-for-dollar tax, but they’re still about 4 million away from that threshold, so they could certainly use a portion of that trade exception, absorb Green’s contract and still be under the luxury tax. And the idea behind acquiring Green is not for his god-awful game, but because Philly needs to shed contracts to pay Louis Williams and even, perhaps, Andre Miller. You don’t get something (Speights) for nothing (JJ), and so I proposed trading a first and taking back Green’s contract in return, which seems more than fair considering Speights is likely to languish on the bench in Sixerland.
To wrap up then, the reason you’re trade proposal stinks, is because ‘Moore sucks, Speights doesn’t. Capish?’ To coin a phrase.
I don’t really care what board you’re from, but in the interest of being intentionally uncivil, I would hope you crawl back towards the stench of cow patties that permeates the city of Sacramento and, apparently, also the kings message board—at least judging by the half-baked trade proposals you’ve conceived.
by WhatAboutFran on
Jul 24, 2008 9:16 AM EDT
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correction
The Magic did not pass on Thompson. Actually, he was a lottery pick. And he’s pretty damn good in my opinion.
by magic fanatic on
Jul 24, 2008 11:12 AM EDT
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I think both he & Speights have terrific futures in the league
To be honest with you fanatic I realize Elton Brand is an all-star, but it stumps me some why the Sixers went after him so hard. Especially with Speights and Smith on the roster and as such young players too.
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by pookeyguru on
Jul 24, 2008 12:31 PM EDT
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Because when you get a shot an elite player like Elton Brand you go all in. This is a guy who can carry a team by himself to the playoffs in the east. Philli is going to be dangerous.
by magic fanatic on
Jul 24, 2008 2:38 PM EDT
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That seems to be the predominant opinion of which I don't share
I think it was a dumb move by Brand to leave the Clippers myself. Why? Well for one the Sixers are the 4th team in the East at best right now without an upgrade of Free Agent talent coming in. Brand isn’t a better player than Garnett and will look less than what some think of him as in that matchup. I’ve always maintained for the better part of this decade that Brand was one of the most overrated players in the entire NBA, and that playing for the Clippers led to a natural assumption of many that he ws just stuck on the wrong team. Always have thought that, and and always will think that. Should be interesting to see what happens here on out though.
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by pookeyguru on
Jul 24, 2008 2:43 PM EDT
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My bad
I forgot how high the Kings reached for Thompson. Congratulations on passing up a future 20-8-2 guy for the next coming of Theo Ratliff.
by WhatAboutFran on
Jul 24, 2008 1:52 PM EDT
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Yeah except for he's playing behind Elton Brand
How long will it take Speights to get to that level of play? (And stop with this Florida hear us roar crap. It’s really irritating. I don’t give a shit how good the University of Florida is.)
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by pookeyguru on
Jul 24, 2008 2:01 PM EDT
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dude
watch the guy play for 10 seconds before you call him the next coming of theo ratliff. there are a bunch of other guys you could compare him to if you want to say he is going to suck (tim thomas comes to mind I guess), but when you call an offensive minded, power forward who is a borderline small forward, who can shoot the lights out but doesn’t play great defense and needs work on his rebounding, the next theo ratliff, you obviously don’t know what you are talking about. and oh yeah, JJ Reddick sucks.
by Travis Mays Hayes on
Jul 25, 2008 8:41 AM EDT
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Fran you don't strike me as that intelligent a guy (forgive me for the gender typecast there)
I realize his name is Jason Thomspon. That’s what I meant to say and made an error. My apologies on that. But the Magic picked 22nd, and Speights was picked 16th overall, and Thompson 12th. The Magic never had a SHOT to select either guy.
I’m sure the Magic don’t want to get to the dollar-for-dollar tax, but they’re still about 4 million away from that threshold, so they could certainly use a portion of that trade exception, absorb Green’s contract and still be under the luxury tax. And the idea behind acquiring Green is not for his god-awful game, but because Philly needs to shed contracts to pay Louis Williams and even, perhaps, Andre Miller. You don’t get something (Speights) for nothing (JJ), and so I proposed trading a first and taking back Green’s contract in return, which seems more than fair considering Speights is likely to languish on the bench in SixerlandClearly, I can’t get names right (sorry jason and Justin-The Kings had a player the last 2 seasons named Justin Williams-why Justin keeps popping up when I say it, and others on StR have done it numerous times; Hopefully we get cured of this by training camp; I agree it is rather irritating), but you can’t count either. Perhaps you don’t realize that Speights makes over a million and half dollars this season, and that Green makes over 3.5 million this season. (Ben I prefer Sham over Hoopshype because Sham will include buyout numbers of players like Adonal Foyle on their pages, and Hoopshype doesn’t. Also the guy who runs Sham is a Bulls fan, and the guy who turned me onto Sham was none other than your Friendly Bulls Blogger Matt.) Either way, my feeling is you can’t count very well, or you think 3.3 + 1.5 million is about 5 million, but where I’m from, we count that as 4.8 million. I’m from California where education sucks btw.
Now, from what i can tell the Magic’s salary is just under 68 million. The actual luxury tax is 71.15 million, so as far as I can see that puts the Magic about 3.15 million under the cap. Trading for Speights, assuming Philly comply’s, would work, but I’m not quite sure how you make 4.8 million fit under that threshold.
You want to use stats to compare Speights and Thompson? Be my guest. As I previously Speights is a Player I stumped for (just look on Sactown Royalty’s archives around draft day), and a player I certainly thought highly of, even though I never saw him play at Gainesville. Looking at summer league stats, and I was fairly impressed by how well Speights did from the few glimpses I got of him on the boobtube (Tv), he did well. He averaged 18 & 10 in 33 minutes. That is impressive no doubt. But Jason Thompson had 16 pts and 8.5 boards in 29 minutes coming off the bench. (The kings only started Thompson in the 5th game when Ewing Jr didn’t play.) So i”m not sure how 18 & 10 in 33 mins is more impressive than 16 & 8.5 in 29 mins, but if you want to go that route go for it.
To wrap up then, the reason you’re trade proposal stinks, is because ‘Moore sucks, Speights doesn’t. Capish?’ To coin a phrase.You didn’t coin that phrased. It was already coined moron.
I don’t really care what board you’re from, but in the interest of being intentionally uncivil, I would hope you crawl back towards the stench of cow patties that permeates the city of Sacramento and, apparently, also the kings message board—at least judging by the half-baked trade proposals you’ve conceived.Actually I post on StR, which is another SB nation blog like 3QC, and the same exact one that Ben said I participated at actually. Apparently reading and counting is not up to snuff for you.
I don’t care if you insult Sacramento or not, and you probably have never been there. I’ve never been to Orlando, and I don’t really need to go. It’s no big deal to me, and everybody lives where they do. Why would I give a shit what you think about Sacramento. Just another Cow Town if I do say so myself. (With of course, the problem of not actually having cows within city limits or anything. Generally cows grazes on large open pastures where it’s hot, and that’s just something Sacramento city, or county for that matter, just doesn’t have alot of.)
Your crap about JJ Redick is just that. Blah blah blah. All you could have said is you don’t want Mikki Moore. Several other people said it. It’s not that hard.
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by pookeyguru on
Jul 24, 2008 12:30 PM EDT
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Did you forget that JJ gets a salary for sulking at the end of our bench?
And next year thats 2.1 mil. We’d be taking back 1.5 mil (Speights) and 3.4 mil (Green), so that leaves a net difference of +2.8 mil. So we would still be under the tax.
Dumbass.
You must really drive yourself crazy with the voices in your head, because I have no idea who you’re talking to with the Florida stuff. I’m an alum, but I’ve never posted that here, so it can’t be me. Moreover, this is a Magic board, and Speights was a Florida player, so there are going to be a lot of homers on here rooting for him to join the Magic. If you don’t like it, read my advice on crawling back to your cave in sactown.
I never claimed Speights played better than Thomson in summer league (even though I do believe he’s going to become a better pro). I was simply pointing out your idiocy in proclaiming that Thompson ‘outplayed’ him.
And as far as Speights’ development is concerned, the fact that he’s stuck behind Brand and likely Evans in the rotation, and competing with Jason Smith for PT, makes an even more compelling argument for the Sixers to trade him for JJ, a first and cap relief.
Listen douchebag, you posted a moronic trade proposal. I called you out on it, and a lot of the comments on this thread from Magic fans appear to echo my belief. Even a Kings fan thought it was a bad idea. I suggest you resign yourself to the idea that it was a stupid trade and go back to conjuring up wet dreams of what Artest would bring back at the trade deadline.
by WhatAboutFran on
Jul 24, 2008 2:15 PM EDT
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Wow I love guys like you
Yes I forgot that JJ gets a salary for sulking on the bench. Or pissing on himself. Or getting shot in Tampa on a Sunday evening with hookers.
Ummm okay big guy let’s do some math problems here. 3.4 + 1.5 mil = 4.9 mil. 3.4 mil – 1.5 mil = 1.9 mil (not really sure why subtracting 2 salaries is necessary) So, in the end you’re saying that the Magic is taking back 2.8 million in additional salary right? Wrong. In a sense. (That would be the net increase though.) The Magic if they take Green and Speights in a trade would be taking back 4.9 million in salary, and they can’t include the trade exception for several reasons. One it’s 80 K (the trade exception according to the ESPN trade checker is for 3.3 million--Green’s salary according to ESPN is 3.38 million or so-which means the trade exception is too small unless the 100K rule that apply’s to regular over the cap trades apply’s, which I dout it does—in otherwords you can’t use a trade exception + cash to cover a player in a trade—the CBA outlaws that) too small to use for Green, and Redick doesn’t make enough to swap straight up for Green. So if you use the trade exception for Speights (perfectly doable), then you still have to come up with matching salary with Redick for Green. You still haven’t done that.
And as far as Speights’ development is concerned, the fact that he’s stuck behind Brand and likely Evans in the rotation, and competing with Jason Smith for PT, makes an even more compelling argument for the Sixers to trade him for JJ, a first and cap reliefActually that seems to be a compelling argument for you. The sixers in fact don’t have to agree (and probably won’t unless Green is included in the deal which seems steep, but whatever) and may just choose to keep Speights to play him @ C. That’s always possible too. Unless you’re in Ed Stefanski’s head it’s hard to keep track of his thoughts outside of it. Unless you’re clairvoyant and I apologize in advance.
You don’t like Moore fine. Just say so. Calling me a douchebag doesn’t hurt my feelings. Big friggin deal. This is a blog. I’ve been called everything under the sun from worthless to stupid to just about everything else. So in essence you didn’t call me out on anything. I asked what you thought, and you called me a douchebag. (I didn’t need you to tell me that. My mother could have told you that for free.) You called the trade proposal for Brian Cook and JJ Redick moronic as if they’re some high priced caliber pieces of talent. (I think not.) Dwight Howard I would have understood. Hedo Turkoglu, Ditto. Brian Cook and JJ Redick? You gotta be smoking something good bro. Hope the pipe is fun.
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by pookeyguru on
Jul 24, 2008 2:39 PM EDT
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I take back the Willie Green for the trade exception
I tried it on the ESPN trade checker and it went through.
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by pookeyguru on
Jul 24, 2008 2:53 PM EDT
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Tried it again and now it's failed hmmmm
I don’t mind ESPN trade checker, but I”m wondering how it worked once and failed once. I imagine there is an unknown loophole that would have to be worked out.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on
Jul 24, 2008 3:10 PM EDT
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I agree with Whataboutfran
If Moore is a poor rebounder and shot blocker then he really doesn’t offer the Magic anything they need. It would be a bad trade.
by magic fanatic on Jul 23, 2008 2:40 PM EDT 0 recs
From the Kings side
This would give us ANOTHER player on our roster (2 for 1 trade we are talking about), to make the already bloated Kings roster jump to 17 players. Plus, I hate JJ Reddick. And Brain Cook used to play for the Lakers so I hate him too. This won’t happen (thank jahova).
by Travis Mays Hayes on Jul 24, 2008 9:15 AM EDT 0 recs
I didn't know you were Jewish Travis (kidding of course)
Yeah, there alot of reasons to not like this trade with the sole exception of not wanting to keep Moore to cock block Thompson.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on
Jul 24, 2008 12:09 PM EDT
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I think it's assumed Cook'll get dropped like potatoes near oil.
make fries outta that sucka.
Mikki Moore in the skills challenge! - LPA
by iashwash on
Jul 25, 2008 9:18 PM EDT
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